Episode 45: The Management, Organization, & Coordination of Stuff & Why We'd Rather Be Eating Pie

On Episode 45, Tesi and Leslie talk to Jennie Barnds, a mom-of-three with an interesting perspective on our tendency to collect material things and allow "stuff" to slowly take over our homes and lives. Jennie talks not only about literally cleaning a house, but also explores the metaphor of the space that things take up in our hearts and brains. Jennie shares her experience of following the very popular Marie Kondo method of tidying up, as well as her experience of organizing and cleaning her mother- and father-in-law's home shortly after her father-in-law's sudden death and her mother-in-law's subsequent move to assisted living. The three women dive into the questions that surround our American tendency toward excessive consumerism and explore its impact on the human soul ... and on the freedom of the next generation.

Also discussed on this episode:

  • The rub of letting go: Can we let go to our clothing, things, pictures, jobs, and relationships? What's the benefit of letting go? Is there ever a reason to hold on?
  • Other people's things: Can we form emotional attachments to other people's things? Should we?
  • There are ways that we can help our kids navigate a world focused on things. We can also encourage our parents and grandparents to come up with a plan for what happens to their treasures at the end of life. If not, it's possible to end up living in a museum.
  • The spirituality of "stuff": Can there be a spiritual connection to our things? WWJD with all of our things? What does Christ teach us about being men and women who live for others, not for things.
  • How to be a careful consumer of things and not burden the next generation by shackling them with our things or our obsession with stuff.

Obsess Sesh with Jennie Barnds:

The Outlander Series | Herr's Salt & Vinegar Chips | Chuck Taylors


    Style blogger Yasi Beck's BLOG and her appearance on Episode 15 are referenced in the podcast.

    The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up

    Cleaning House: A Mom's 12-Month Experiment to Rid Her House of Entitlement

    The Story of Stuff

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    Episode 43: A Midwife to the Next Life


    On this episode of Mama Bear Dares, Leslie and Tesi talk to Lisa Gaston about death and dying. Lisa is a trained chaplain and mom to three grown children. Listen as she discusses what it's like to accompany individuals in the midst of the dying process and families as they face the death of a loved one. Together, we dig into dying, living, and the search for life's purpose. Lisa offers a unique look into a fascinating, complex, and largely avoided topic, gently encouraging listeners to face their own insecurities and views of death and dying.

    Other points discussed:

    • Serving God from wherever we are
    • Learning from life's minutiae
    • Our societal response to death: Is it the right response? How did we get here? How do other cultures respond to death and dying?
    • How do we die with dignity?
    • How can we prepare for death?


    Lisa mentions The Five Wishes as a great resource for families as they prepare for their imminent (but hopefully far off) death. Check it out HERE.

    Lisa is starting a podcast! Keep an eye out for What's Up With Dying when she launches on iTunes.


    Lisa is obsessed with LUSH cosmetics.

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